Tuesday, January 17, 2006

Mark Driscoll Distances Himself from EC

This is an important development and article worth reading. The link is below this post..click on the word "TEXT." Mark Driscoll is to be commended for taking this firm stand against the more extremes of the EC! I will be interested to see how Dan Kimball views these comments by Mark as I had identified Dan as being on the conservative end of the EC. Stay tuned....

(Edited to add)

Regarding Dan Kimball, he did a piece recently on apologetics that I found interesting, with some very valid points raised. In the piece, he mentions his love for apologetics, but raises concerns over the manner in which he has seen apologetics practiced. While I don't dispute that he has indeed seen defense of the faith carried out in an unloving, harsh fashion, I have seldom encountered this in my years of apologetics ministry. It's a given that I do not believe that we should be needlessly hostile to people. At the same time, we should never be so "nice" or accomodating as to wink the eye at false doctrine. To some, any firm opinion clearly expressed will seem hostile. We are, after all, in a generation that seems to think anyone who stands against anything as being "wrong" is somehow intolerant and a danger to society. In the end, we are called to stand firmly for truth, contending earnestly for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3). That means calling false doctrine exactly what it is....false doctrine.

In addition, there is a difference between dealing with the ignorant or untaught, and dealing with false teachers who ought to know better. False teaching is not to be given warm fuzzies.



crownring said...

An interesting link, Sola. I'm definitely interested in reading more!

SolaMeanie said...

Yes, this is something indeed! I will be very interested to see how the other EC leaders treat Mark Driscoll. Dan K. is coming along also, but he hasn't distanced himself to the level Mark is.

Rattlesnake6 said...

We can only hope and pray that these two men complete the journey back to orthodox Christianity. There is enough insanity among those who call themselves evangelicals today. The ECM has only added to the silliness. Sadly, McLaren, Kimball, and others get upset if we don't take them seriously. Sincerity is not the hallmark of truth. If McLaren and the "die hard" ECMers continue on their merry way, I would not at all be surprised to see them land with both feet either in Roman Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy. As it stands now, many seem headed into full orbed Pelagianism--and taking a number of biblically illiterate souls with them.
Rattlesnake 6

Rob said...

I would argue that we're in fact quite biblical literate, we've just rejected conservative evangelicals interpretation and need to take the scriptures literally. That and most of us are from conservative evangelical circles so we know your arguments before you make them.


crownring said...

I've a few questions for you, Rob.


Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

Do you believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins?

Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?

If your answer to the three questions above is "NO", what makes Christianity any different than any other religion?

Can you defend your beliefs in a rational manner WITHOUT resorting to personal attacks?

Rattlesnake6 said...

Rob's comments are indicative of how hopelessly confused ECMers actually are. This comes as no surprise. Their forebears were biblically illiterate and so are they. Therefore, they mindlessly follow the foolish attempts of McLaren and others not knowing where they lead. More dangerously, ECMers are indebted to secular or liberal Roman Catholic philosophers. It's funny how this is all done under the guise of rejecting conservative evangelical interpretation.
Rattlesnake 6

SolaMeanie said...


I haven't seen a whole lot of Scriptural literacy among EC adherents. If they are literate in Scripture, it is painfully obvious they don't pay much attention to it. Your dismissive attitude toward Scripture is highly illustrative.

You can "reject" away as much as you like, but that doesn't make your interpretations of Scripture correct. If you have been in conservative evangelical circles, it's obvious you didn't learn much. If you know our arguments, I have yet to see anyone in the EC effectively refute them. I see EC adherents quote Scripture when it serves their purposes, only to try and redefine/reinterpret/deconstruct when Scripture takes a dim view of what they are advocating.

Mene, mene, tekel upharsin.