Monday, January 14, 2008

Chelsea Clinton's Revealing Remarks

Chelsea Clinton rarely speaks in public or to the media at all. However, she recently made some remarks to female college students, quoted by the Stamford Daily. I want you to pay very close attention to what she said about her mother's health care plans . . .

“[My mother] and Senator [John] Edwards are committed to universal healthcare,” she said. “Senator [Barack] Obama [D-Ill.] is committed to what we call ‘virtual’ universal healthcare which would make it an option for people to buy into the system. What my mother argues is that if you don’t mandate that everyone have healthcare, the healthy people may not buy into the system, which means that the average cost of insuring people is a lot higher.”

Thank you, Chelsea. In that little quote, you sounded a klaxon warning to those of us who don't like Big Brother or Big Mother Government "mandating" our lives. If you don't "mandate" that everyone have health care, healthy people might not buy into the system." Considering the lousy quality of most government-mandated systems, I wouldn't want to buy into socialized medicine either. The point is, I have the right to determine my own health care, and it's none of the government's business.

Most hospitals have assistance available for those who can't afford care. In fact, my own hospital just offered to enroll me in an assistance program to pay my own bills from last September. I have chosen to forgo that, preferring to pay over time. The hospital will work with me, for which I am thankful.

The long and short of it is, I don't need to nurse at the mammary glands of the Illinois or national capitals. I want them to stay out of my business. Period. Government ends up mucking up everything it touches. America was founded on self-reliance, and benevolence is the realm of churches and other generous individuals who care about aiding the needy. Government under the concept of our Founding Fathers was never intended to be a nanny state, and neither did they desire an entire generation of people dependent on state largesse.


Rob Auld said...


This is such a short-sighted view of healthcare. Did you know American's live 4 years shorter then Canadians on average? 6 years shorter then the French. Infant mortality rates are 4x higher for poor American's then poor Canadians?

I love to hear your Republican's rail against Canadian universal Healthcare. Our system needs improving but it's light years ahead of yours.


SolaMeanie said...


Hi there! Long time no hear from! I'm glad you're still alive!

But I am afraid I must disagree with you, as usual. If that's the case, why do so many Canadians come to the U.S. for surgeries etc? And you miss my main point. I don't want the government mandating how I handle my health care. That's none of their business.

I guess you all are used to living like sheep for so long that you've forgotten what it means to be independent of the state. (smile)

SolaMeanie said...

While I am at it, it's been quite some time since I've made a political post of any kind. Most have been on spiritual topics. Haven't you had any comment on any of those? Why just go after my politics?

Rob Auld said...

Hey Sola,

I don't disagree with your posts on Spirituality. I think a more traditional approach to Christianity works well for you and doesn't for me. I think that's okay.

I did notice your post on your personal issue and I hope everything worked out.

I'm not going after your politics. In fact I understand your argument very well. Everytime the government mandates something you lose freedom. I don't disagree. The difference is I'm okay giving up some degree of freedom to ensure everyone has access to adequate healthcare.

Ironically, HMO's were designed to reduce healthcare costs. The reality is profits have gone through the roof and so have the related costs to consumers.

My question is how do you balance getting adequate healthcare when HMO's won't insure people who are sick? Or cancel sick people's insurance? Don't model Canada's system, model Britains.

Many Canadians come to the U.S. to get non life threatening procedures. They could wait to get them done in Canada except we have a capacity issue. Our system isn't perfect but everyone has access. If your child is sick shouldn't your only worry be about getting him/her better? Not how are we going to pay for this?

My question for my conservative friends is what's the alternative?

It's nice to speak to you again and I do hope you're doing well!


Ron said...

This is part of a larger issue that's been on my mind for a while now.
Battle lines drawn quickly, liberals vs. conservatives, democrats vs. republicans and one we'd rather not look at socialists vs. capitalists. At times it appears as if we are rooting for our favorite sports team, despising the opponents. ing
Rob points out that they have a capacity issue. Why? It would seem one could assume it's because with socialized medicine, government caps what a physician can make, so fewer and fewer pursue medicine as a career. I know this also applies to every facet of medicine as well, but the ramifications are the same. Money.
On the other hand, here in America we don't want anyone, specifically the government, mandating what we do or don't do that would either diminish or restrict our freedoms. And our capitalistic modeled culture increasingly seems to an "I'm going to get mine" attitude of greed.
In reviewing the early church in Acts, we see an entirely different culture than either of these. Yes, I know no one was required to give of their abundance. But those that realized how blessed they were gave willingly. That, or so it appears to me, was the model.
Frankly, we have been culturaly pulled far away from that modal. And when no one gives from their blessing that model fails. And the more greed controls our captialistic model the further towards failure we venture.
So the universal healthcare vs. the free world argument is just a piece of a larger, systemic issue.
I have more to say on this, but won't pollute the meta.
And so you all know where I come from, I'm a Baptist, not some Bible destroying emergent/ing. I believe God inspired every single word of Scriture. I'm not educated in theology, just a sinner wash by Christ's blood of which I don't deserve. I'm just a humble servant who only answers to God.

Be gentle.


SolaMeanie said...

Hi, Ron..

Feel free to comment anytime. You are welcome, and certainly are not polluting the meta.

I understand where you are coming from and there is merit to it. I think the issue I -- along with many other Christian conservatives -- isn't the issue of giving, or taking care of people's needs who are truly needy. It's the idea of the government mandating generosity.

We are to be generous givers, and indeed the Christian church has done much in the name of humanitarianism over the years. Jesus said the needy would always be with us. Unfortunately, the government (especially those of a socialist bent) is never satisfied and always demands more revenue hence the never ending debate of cutting spending versus cutting taxes.

Ron said...

Thanks Joel,

I understand, and completely agree with your view on mandated generosity. But the subjects of "truly needy" and "Scriptural mandates" as they relate to the needy have been ongoing in my circle of Christian friends. I'll stray a bit off topic to clarify.
I am blessed to be able to serve regularly at a local mission. And, like most, the folks there are/were addicts, felons and the like. When I discuss this with friends I used to attend church with, they bristle in horror when I suggest an upcoming serving opportunity, and have a laundry list of excuses not to serve, ie. "is this the best way for me to be a good steward of my time and money?" "After all, they are drug addicts and law breakers who got themselves in that shape. Why don't they just get a job?" And when they do give/serve, it's mostly about patting themselves on the back! Maybe it's more about attitude, since they are or have worshiped at a seeker church, of which the Holy Spirit rescued me. You know the drill, serve me, feed me.... So my scope of reference may be small, but it still appears we might not always have the attitude of servanthood to one another as represented in Acts. And so this very "mandating" arises, we don't do what Scripture obligates to do and our "dropping the ball" so to speak, gives the emergents/ings something to hang their hands on as well.

SolaMeanie said...

Wow. That is sad, but also of a piece with our rather narcissistic culture. Our attitude is supposed to be not letting our left hand know what our right hand is doing.

I often wonder about the Scripture verse where we are warned about the last days . . . "When lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold." I am certainly not immune from that happening to me, and I hope and pray it doesn't.

Randy said...


I think our healthcare crisis is rising. Do you know that the US is number 37 in the world as far as actual healthcare goes and number one in pharmaceutical drugs?
It seems doctors are too willing to give a "pill" to help someone than offer real help.

Not everyone can get health insurance. Some businesses are re-negotiating with the insurance companies to "reduce" coverage which in turns saves the business money and hurts the employees.

Not all is well. I'm not sure that a mandated government system is in order, but everyone in this country should have access to healthcare.

You had mentioned that places have assistance programs. Well, major hospitals do, but private doctor's offices technically don't.

I have been on both sides of this debacle. We are supposed to be the number one country in the world and we have millions without coverage.

Joel, you know me, and know that I'm basically conservative, however on this issue, and have faced it first hand, I know our system needs overhauled.

I say this with kindness and just my humble viewpoint.


SolaMeanie said...

I have no problem with an overhaul, depending on what we're talking about. I just don't want the government mandating my own affairs.

Gilbert said...

Hey gang,

I know I am late to this discussion, but I have to say this:

The health care crisis is NOT, to a large part, with our system. It is US.

We're ranked 37 in health care. I need to lose a few pounds, but when 70% of Americans are overweight...heart attacks, strokes, knee replacements, broken bones, diabetes all occur. I'm not saying they don't occur if youa re in shape, of course. But, I need to lose a few pounds myself, and if I am not more careful, I'll wind up as part of the health care problem. I pray that will not occur.

Rome was "fat and lazy" when they fell, too. We expect others to take care of us for mistakes we make over and over again, or with issues we refuse to handle.

"...and so that you will not be dependent on anybody." 1 Thessalonians 4:12

Am I taking that out of context? Just my $.02.

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