Wednesday, July 23, 2008

The Modern Fiery Furnace

Israel My Glory magazine has an editorial this month on the subject of "Who Speaks for Evangelical Christians." But what actually caught me was a couple of comments by the late Dr. Francis Schaeffer and Jewish journalist Don Feder. Here they are:

Christians are the only group Hollywood can offend with impunity, the only creed it actually goes out of its way to insult. Clerics, from fundamentalist preachers to Catholic monks, are routinely represented as hypocrites, hucksters, sadists and lechers. The tenets of Christianity are regularly held up to ridicule.

Don Feder, "A Jewish Conservative Looks at Pagan America"

Does the church have a future in our generation? . . . I believe the church is in real danger. It is in for a rough day. We are facing present pressures and a present and future manipulation which will be so overwhelming in the days to come that they will make the battles of the last forty years look like child's play.

Dr. Francis A. Schaeffer, "The Church at the End of the Twentieth Century"

Don Feder's comments were in 1993. Dr. Schaeffer's comments were written in 1970. Have things gotten better or worse since then? Are believers in America heading for eventual, Nebuchadnezzer-like trouble in the days ahead?



Teresita said...

Does the church have a future in our generation? . . . I believe the church is in real danger.

This is a joke, right? No future for the Body of Christ? Hasn't anyone taken a peek at the end of the Good Book to see how it all pans out?

Solameanie said...

That wasn't his point. I recommend reading the whole book to get his point. Dr. Schaeffer was referring to both apostasy in the church as a whole and a time of future persecution.

Of course the church has a final, glorious future. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't times of apostasy within Christendom. Scripture itself foresees a great time of apostasy in the last days before the return of Christ. There are true believers and false believers -- tares and wheat.

Teresita said...

There are true believers and false believers -- tares and wheat.

Since faith is the divine gift of believing in divinely revealed truths, there can never be true believers and false believers, only those who answer God's call to believe on our risen Lord Jesus Christ, and those who refuse to do so. The ones who believe and abide in Christ bear good fruit, and that is how we can know we are children of the kingdom. But the ones who do not abide in Christ bear only thorns, so they are called tares, the children of the wicked one, and Christ says they will be burned.

Solameanie said...

I suggest you look again at Scripture. It says otherwise. There are specific Scriptures that talk about false brethren.

BTW, I must refer to your profile since we're having this discussion. Taoism is not biblical Christianity, and lesbianism is sin. If you are practicing these things, then I must seriously question your Christianity.

Phil Perkins said...

Dear Solameanie,
Don't despair. The coming fire will cleanse. And it's already here, although the source is the "church" itself.

The fire of persecution is coming already from liberal unbelievers in the "Evangelical" camp already. I am one example. I was fired from a Southern Baptist school for opposing the Emergent church.

Another recent event is the lawsuit threatened by a Rick Warren surrogate that shut down a website that was critical of the Purpose Drivel.

The persecution will soon be governmental in nature, for sure, but it is a good thing. One of two things will result. Either the greater Modern Evangelical "church" will be destroyed, leaving only the actually saved. Or it will the greater "church" will survive be being in bed with the media and government. This, I suspect, will be the case as Mofern Evangelicalism is big business. As such, its purpose is not godliness, but power and money. So doctrine will be further bent in order to appease the pagan culture around.

Either outcome is good, however, as the gospel will become clear again in the eyes of the culture. The Benny Hinns will be gone. What will be left will be a apiritually anemic "church" that will not be at all related to those who walk in the turth. This will purify the remnant and clarify the gospel to those outside because they will no longer confuse the message of the official "church" with those few who are really Christians.

In Christ,
Phil Perkins

Phil Perkins said...

OR I could be totally wrong and God's intent is to wipe out the gospel in America as a final judgment on this filthy nation.