Thursday, February 11, 2010

The Birther Controversy

To date, I've said very little about the so-called "birther" controversy, i.e. whether President Barack Obama is eligible to serve as president due to allegedly not being a "natural born citizen" as required by the Constitution.

Check out this rebuttal column by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown over at WorldNetDaily. They're a bit aggravated with Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly and Andrew Breitbart for being so dismissive of the controversy.

Whatever position you take on this issue, it does concern me when the conservative movement eats itself alive, especially when it could be on the cusp of ascendancy again. It also concerns me when so-called conservatives are so easily dismissive of a constitutional requirement. That in and of itself ought to be a wake up call that all is not well in our body politic. The U.S. Constitution is the only thing standing between freedom and tyranny, and anymore, it's all too readily ignored by politicians and pundits of all stripes.


smrstrauss said...

Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate from Hawaii shows, and the facts on it were twice confirmed by the two top officials of the DoH of Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor's administration.

The reason that Obama's received all the 375 electoral votes that he was entitled to in the general election is that there is no Constitutional issue. A Natural Born Citizen is simply a citizen at birth, in Obama's case a citizen because of his birth in the USA. The only citizens who are NOT Natural Born are naturalized citizens.

Rob Auld said...

Interesting..can you point me to your post on John McCain not being born in the US? That's a non-disputed fact. Where are World-Net Daily's posts?

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


smrstrauss said...

I did not mention McCain. However, I do know that he was born in the Canal Zone in Panama.

Some say that this means that McCain was not a Natural Born Citizen because he was born outside of the USA. Others say that because of the other criterion of Natural Born Status, birth to two US parents even though outside of the USA, he was eligible. The latter is not the original meaning of Natural Born, it was created by statutes.

So, McCain may or may not have been a Natural Born Citizen. I think he was, but it is not absolute.

However, no serious Constitutional scholar questions the original meaning of Natural Born, which at the time of the writing of the Constitution was simply "born in the country." We get the word Naturalize from Natural Born, meaning to make someone who was born outside of the country like someone who was born inside the country.

And that is why Obama won all 375 of the Electoral College votes that he won in the general election. Not one single Elector of those that he won voted against him. And that is why Obamas' confirmation by Congress was unanimous. Not one voted against him, despite a campaign by birthers and two-fers to have them not confirm him.

Solameanie said...

I think both of you missed my point. My point is not so much the matter of Obama's birth certificate as it is the attitude of so many that the Constitution doesn't matter.

I personally think Obama probably is a natural born citizen, but I also think this matter could have been settled long ago if Obama had simply released the documentation of this, his academic records, and other materials that have been requested. Instead, I think he and his team refused to release the long form certificate as requested because it's politically useful to create perceived enemies and kooks. It's been done before.

Be careful who you call dumb, Rob my friend. It can come home to bite you. Besides, I'd like to see you make an occasional positive comment here instead of only popping by to take pot shots. There was a post on Hebrews 11 and 12 this month that I think you might have liked.

Solameanie said...

BTW, children born to U.S. military personnel serving overseas are recognized as American citizens. No brainer. And it's interesting McCain's lefty opponents made hay out of the charge. But when conservatives do it, it's wrong. Hypocritical as usual.

smrstrauss said...

Re: "Simply released."

Obama released his official birth certificate. Birthers then asked for the original.

Turns out that Obama cannot release this because Hawaii no longer sends out the original. Obama does not have the original. He only has what Hawaii sent him in 2007, the official.

The official is fine; it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the State Department and the military services. But birthers keep on asking for the original.

Only Hawaii can provide it, not Obama. He doesn't have it.

On school records. No other president has provided them. Why should Obama?

smrstrauss said...

Re: "It is interesting that McCain's lefty opponents."

Actually, it is the strict birthers, the two-fers who claim that McCain was not eligible. They like to say that McCain could not attack Obama on his allegedly not being a Natural Born Citizen because McCain was not a Natural Born Citizen.

Solameanie said...

More than "strict birthers." There were a few Democrats who had some fun with the issue. But this is typically the way it always is. It's always the other side who is the worst or the guilty party, no matter who started it.

pastorbrianculver said...

Hi Solameanie! Hope you have been doing well. I agree with you about the attitudes of some conservative Christians who don't take the constitution seriously. Did you see that this whole issue is coming up in front of an appellate court soon? The answers will come out one way or the other. I just pray that God's will be done and He receives the glory!

Solameanie said...

Hi, Brian! So good to hear from you again. You've been missed!

And yes, I pray the same thing. I had not heard about the appellate court. Interesting that there's been no coverage of it, isn't it?

pastorbrianculver said...

is it really a surprise that there has been no coverage of it?

Solameanie said...

Btw, Rob and smrstrauss, for the record, one of the earliest "birthers" was a Democrat named Phil Berg. Not a Republican. Hillary's campaign helped spread some of it around also, if I remember correctly.